Will Toyota Ever Produce Hot Rides Post 2000 Era?

[Reed1]

I don't know what you guys are thinking but lately, I think Toyota seems to shun off from producing cool, high performing rides the like of Supra, Celica Turbos, Levin / Trueno, Starlet Turbos, etc.

All that Toyota is aiming nowadays is to become the most profitable and the biggest car producer of the world. For me, I really miss all those high performance items that Toyota had introduced prior to year 2000, namely TVIS, Sequential Turbocharging, 5 valve technology, 4 throttle, ceramic turbos, supercharging, etc. Even the GE engine design has seen little application into post year 2000 Toyota models (except for 2ZZ-GE which lies in the latest Celica engine bay).

I think if Toyota will just be a plain car manufacturer that produces reliable and economy cars, I think many current Toyota enthusiasts will switch to...... Honda? :cry_smile:

What do think guyz?

 

[netmatrix]

Well that depends. I believe that toyota actually moved the fast cars category to lexus. For modern go fast cars, don't forget there is the Caldina. Yes there may be no more Supra, Trueno/Levin, Celica or MR2. But there is still the corolla. hahaha. Albeit an even more uncle version than SEG.

Looking at the concept cars from Toyota. Many are go fast cars. And in 2007 something is coming up to take on the GTR. Another take to become Japans fastest car again. hehehe.

I wonder if anyone notice that 1.3-1.6cc cars are not tiny compact cars like yaris and the likes. 1.8-2.0 is sedan sized ones. I mean we are running low on fuel and they make even bigger cc cars. Makes no sense huh? Just look at Honda. Even the Altis has a 1.8 variant. Which never was the case last time. And cars are not getting cheaper. We are not paying for electronics rather than metal.:confused_smile:

Anyway owning a modern car now is creepy. :confused_smile:

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

The new supra replacement - under the Lexus badge should be something worth looking forward to

 

[netmatrix]

It is supposed to be a Supra replacement. But we still don't know the official name. Only as FX concept. But V10 500hp... woooohhh.. Lovely. :_:

 

[BLaCkHoWLiNG]

roadtax lagi lovely

 

[netmatrix]

Hahaha. It is said the engine could be 5.0. Damn roadtax is lovely. For the goverment that is. Anyhow i bet we can still see it on Malaysian roads. I actually saw a Bentley Continental GT at Sri Hartamas!!:confused_smile:

 

[rollakid]

Well that depends. I believe that toyota actually moved the fast cars category to lexus. For modern go fast cars, don't forget there is the Caldina. Yes there may be no more Supra, Trueno/Levin, Celica or MR2. But there is still the corolla. hahaha. Albeit an even more uncle version than SEG.

Looking at the concept cars from Toyota. Many are go fast cars. And in 2007 something is coming up to take on the GTR. Another take to become Japans fastest car again. hehehe.

I wonder if anyone notice that 1.3-1.6cc cars are not tiny compact cars like yaris and the likes. 1.8-2.0 is sedan sized ones. I mean we are running low on fuel and they make even bigger cc cars. Makes no sense huh? Just look at Honda. Even the Altis has a 1.8 variant. Which never was the case last time. And cars are not getting cheaper. We are not paying for electronics rather than metal.:confused_smile:

Anyway owning a modern car now is creepy. :confused_smile:

lol.. true about the lexus part. but look at all the other toyota direct injection engine, they produce more hp/liter than most older toyota (if you count out the force induction engine lar). I wouldn't say toyota no longer make performance car, they make high tech luxury sport for sure, which makes me kinda miss the old no-frill-everything-manual type of sport car that is harder to drive (in another point of view, driver gets to "drive" the car, and not the car drives itself).

if you say you wan a Toyota badge only and not the lexus badge, you still got the corolla runx and alex, which i read last time suppose to replace the trueno and levin. same 2zzge vvtli engine, but with closer ratio 6spd gearbox than the celica, although they weight abit more lar..

bigger engine is suppose to be more effecient, have same ammount of fc as older smaller displacement engine, yet produce just as much torque. To the yankees they made no difference between a 5liter engine and 1 liter engine anyway in term of registration, since they cost the same usd36 to get it on the road, where we here worry about the roadtax.

i'm kinda waiting for the new 5.7liter engine from toyota for the tundra in 2008, wanna see if it can perform better than the chevy LS1 or not ^^. and then there's the new 8 speed auto lexus..

 

[netmatrix]

Efficient? Hmmm... i always say that. My mechaninc who makes a living fixing BMW's tells me that. A 3.0 beemer could use up the same amout of petrol to a 2.0 car. I wanted to say efficient. Until Daddy fixit say displacement is displacement. It would not change fuel consumption. Only clever technology does. Cam timing, better injectors, smarter ECU... blah blah.

 

[rollakid]

Efficient? Hmmm... i always say that. My mechaninc who makes a living fixing BMW's tells me that. A 3.0 beemer could use up the same amout of petrol to a 2.0 car. I wanted to say efficient. Until Daddy fixit say displacement is displacement. It would not change fuel consumption. Only clever technology does. Cam timing, better injectors, smarter ECU... blah blah.

effecient would be as in including emmision too. an engine that has only 1.6liter but chunks down 20liter of petrol every 100km isn't effecient, although it may produce insane horsepower figures cuz it revs high.

but if you look at modern toyota engine, compare to older version, it kinda all using advance electronic device to control the engine. however, their horsepower figure isn't impresive, rather, its the torque. look at the new toyota GR-FSE class v6 engine. on spec they produce slightly more power than the JZ-GE class engine, yet provide better FC (i'm not going to talk about this lar.. too subjective, summore the weight of the car they put in is different).

most important thing is they are turning from dirty race breed engine of the 90's, to the environment friendly "eco-engines"

so, hopefully i won't upset anyone with this personal conclusion of mine, tho not scientificaly proven or what, just my feeling, is that imagine you want to get 200hp out of a 1.6liter engine and a 2liter engine, it would be cleaner and easier to extract the power out from a 2liter engine since like your mr fixit said, displacement is displacement.

advance tech today can make a bigger engine weight less than an old smaller engine, so there goes bigger engine = heavier point of view. Its just that we grow up here in malaysia stuck with roadtax and almost like no emmision law that we would prefer an old jap engine.

 

[netmatrix]

Aiyah! Daddy Fixit is not my daddy la. hahaha. He is an engineer who contributes automotive stuff in The Star (Sunday). You can see his articles every week. And he does explain a lot of things in somewhat layman terms.

Anyway 200hp from 1.6 litre is not impossible. But then again when you look at how many who did have 200hp from 1.6 litre uses a lot of electronics and someform of mechanical combustion helper. And the biggest peoblem is reliability. Nothing a car manufacturer like Toyota would want to have.

Also the old F1 engines that have 1000hp from less than 2 litres!!! After 1 race koyak liao. I look back at the new Ford mustang. Not the lates 500hp ones. V8 but only have 300hp. But the torque 500nm!!!

Anyway i think they wanna milk out more torque rather than hp nowdays. Compared to last time. And nothing produces higher torque than displacement.

 

[rollakid]

how about the emmision? i'm talking all about the effeciency concerning emmision only wor..

according info in wikipedia critics also complain that nascar's 500ci engine consume so much leaded petrol at 2mpg that it is so poluting.

thats why i'm wondering and asume that a 200hp 1.6liter will polute more than a 200hp 2liter engine. and i never say 1.6liter engine cannot get 200hp what..

Anyway i think they wanna milk out more torque rather than hp nowdays. Compared to last time. And nothing produces higher torque than displacement.

This one very true lar. I read from somewhere stating that currently there is no NA engine that can produce more than 90lb-ft of torque per liter. That means a 1.6liter engine at most is getting like 19.5kg-m of torque, but to get that much torque the engine is not drivable on the road anymore since all the powerband is on top and very narrow.

with modern cars getting mroe and more luxury and filled with electronic gimmicks you really need more torque to run the car.

 

[netmatrix]

Adoi! Dun get me wrong. I didn't mean that you don't know la. :X-: hehehe Anyway about nascar engines, if you read last weeks Daddy Fixit help article on hot cams and cold cams, explains a lot about fuel consumption too. The bad fuel economy and bad emission from a low displacement engine are from the hardware used to push so much power out of small engines. And fancy electronics help out in milking uot more power. In fact electronics contribute so much hp gains than any other mods. Rollakid get a Microtech for your SVT. hehehe.

If you look back at the nascar, they are using leaded fuel? Ergh... for the same 1 liter of leaded put out same like 2 liter to cause brain cancer. No wonder they are not enviromentally friendly.

I think Superbike engines are the best. hehehe. High revving 4 stroke 900cc with almost 160hp! Hmmm... I wonder can put into my car? hehehe.

Also the turbo guys who recommend runnning rich settings to protect the engine. Bad fuel consumption i say.:angel_smile:

Anyway like always no fuel no power. hehehe.

 

[nappx]

got MONEY can buy laa...dun't have see at magazine la...ha ha ha

 

[nappx]

got MONEY can buy laa...dun't have see at magazine la...ha ha ha