PROTON R3 Amprex Wins the Biggest Race in Asia

[WBW7827]

R3 1.6l can go 200bhp emmmm...at what RPM? TORQUE/RPM??
come on lah..1.6l vtec already can reach 210hp..what so great bout that?

anyway 200bhp from 1.6l campro is quite a good number of horses. i hope that 200hp engine can be in any of R3 model.

GO GO GO R3

petronas is a good malaysian GC, they never fail to make profit and know how to expand their bizz. of course selling EP01 to china Co will give them more input on engineering data and publicity beside royalty imbursement. China is damn big country, world fuel price rise up bcoz of them also.
if i'm not mistaken that EP01 engine had already being used in SEPANG'S WAJA MARSHALL CAR.

we see what happen in near future..

 

[faisal]

The CAMPRO 1.6 that pumps out 200+ BHP is a RACE Engine, not for road use.


If crossing the finish line First, after starting from Pole Position and setting Fastest Lap of the Race on the way to a record 279 Laps Completed not Total Domination, I don't what is.

The fact that all this happened despite a 15 minute pit stop to settle some engine problems makes it more incredible.

 

[gary]

2.compare to the lap time that civic in faster that DC5 time, it's weird isn't it. so from there already u can assume that civic engine performance is one hell of a kind. 270-300hp is reasonable. maybe torque also quite higher than DC5.


4.they r pro people backing their team, got lots of racing data and engine spec data. latest vtec technology is in there for sure.

its actually not weird at all, when you compare the performance of the honda malaysia cars with the DC5's running in MME. A modified DC5 engine from a road car will have problems matching the performances of a specially race prepared mugen engine.

and being a full race mugen engine, i wont be surprised if that engine uses no vtec technology at all.

 

[WBW7827]

its actually not weird at all, when you compare the performance of the honda malaysia cars with the DC5's running in MME. A modified DC5 engine from a road car will have problems matching the performances of a specially race prepared mugen engine.

and being a full race mugen engine, i wont be surprised if that engine uses no vtec technology at all.

greetings..
i'm just one of the commoners, go to sepang to watch MME on startline till 1pm and lots of us dunno bout much bout vtec or mugen things.when HMRT announce their machine is UNMODIFIED MALAYSIA 2.0I-VTEC CIVIC so i believe lah..and so also others i think..come on man..u didn't see their race pace right??their engine scream?? :cool:
how many dude that can assured us what kind of engine HMRT is using?? of course those at pitlane can say something bout that..

come on lah..DC5 with road car engine somemore..NOBODY will bet their road car engine there man!..NOBODY GO THERE TO LOSE! of course they use good parts and tuning also then only they got quite good placing on race result. But the point is HMRT engine is not a workshop tuning stuff. it's shows something to our motoring scene..we r still left behind few years...

 

[WBW7827]

The CAMPRO 1.6 that pumps out 200+ BHP is a RACE Engine, not for road use.


If crossing the finish line First, after starting from Pole Position and setting Fastest Lap of the Race on the way to a record 279 Laps Completed not Total Domination, I don't what is.

The fact that all this happened despite a 15 minute pit stop to settle some engine problems makes it more incredible.

kahkah good point

 

[faisal]

greetings..
i'm just one of the commoners, go to sepang to watch MME on startline till 1pm and lots of us dunno bout much bout vtec or mugen things.when HMRT announce their machine is UNMODIFIED MALAYSIA 2.0I-VTEC CIVIC so i believe lah..and so also others i think..come on man..u didn't see their race pace right??their engine scream?? :cool:
how many dude that can assured us what kind of engine HMRT is using?? of course those at pitlane can say something bout that..

come on lah..DC5 with road car engine somemore..NOBODY will bet their road car engine there man!..NOBODY GO THERE TO LOSE! of course they use good parts and tuning also then only they got quite good placing on race result. But the point is HMRT engine is not a workshop tuning stuff. it's shows something to our motoring scene..we r still left behind few years...

WBW,

I think what Gary is trying to say is that the HMRT car 's engine can't be compared to anything that was on the GRID. The Honda DC5s that were privately run were mostly using road cars/engines that were converted to race cars/engine. As compared to the "made-in Malacca" cars.

I blame Honda Malysia for their misleading claims of an Un-Modified 2.0 I-VTEC. It's understandable for the public to be confused.

I'm willing to bet top dollar even the great Hiroki Katoh can't do a 2'24.00 lap time if his car's engine were unmodified.

 

[koolspyda]

I think what Gary is trying to say is that the HMRT car 's engine can't be compared to anything that was on the GRID. The Honda DC5s that were privately run were mostly using road cars/engines that were converted to race cars/engine. As compared to the "made-in Malacca" cars.

I blame Honda Malysia for their misleading claims of an Un-Modified 2.0 I-VTEC. It's understandable for the public to be confused.

I'm willing to bet top dollar even the great Hiroki Katoh can't do a 2'24.00 lap time if his car's engine were unmodified.

firstly, I have great respects for Honda japan for their know-how on engines.

Every one (in the our local motorsports business ) knows about the so called "claims" stock honda 2.0 civic engines which it isn't. (this controversy also happened last year) It not calling HMRT bluff but Its designed to sell the "racing image" of Honda in malaysia. it a marketing gimmick.

It racing events like these, I'm sure "vtec" is more a hampering in performance then assisting as for endurance racing, 99% of the time you are on high revs & it will be dead weight to carry stuffs you dont need for races. It most probably employing only high cams which is typical as many race cars. (as one of the many non-found items with your daily stock civic) ;)

Do one 'really' think the HMRT for the MME civic engine is un-Modified 2.0 I-VTEC? well , for future civic buyers they are, and its enough for them. it "sells" to them.

whats "real" & true isnt really important. I know so many of uncles/aunties/friends of mine only wants to know the end product = Honda produces 'fast' cars. its the image.

 

[prozac]

Do one 'really' think the HMRT for the MME civic engine is un-Modified 2.0 I-VTEC? well , for future civic buyers they are, and its enough for them. it "sells" to them.

whats "real" & true isnt really important. I know so many of uncles/aunties/friends of mine only wants to know the end product = Honda produces 'fast' cars. its the image.

True. That's why it's very important that R3 brings its 200bhp CAMPRO engine into the limelight. Even though it's not available to the public (much like HMRT's Civic engine), it's a symbol that they are able to tune up the engine to reach such heights.

Because, at the end of the day, R3 should also be known to make 'fast' cars.

 

[WBW7827]

GREETINGS....
bro faisal, i'm sorry for being too loud.
that civic's scream really weird to me. at some stage i know that HMRT use special engine but dunno what.

bro koolspyda, good info. additional info: see also what happen to YAMAHA now. they got 1st place in motogp bcoz of ROSSI. so no need to argue.
yesterday in NSTP i think, Honda Malaysia announce that if they want to get their MME champion again next year they will JUST POSSIBLY GET SAME SPEC CAR AS LOTUS R3.
so posibble can see NSX next year.

p/s: bro faisal...i need an advise, in normal car..how long can we stay on say 5K - 6.5K RPM? on 5th gear some cars already can reach 200km/h at 6K..plz refer this to reability and other aspect?

 

[399]

The CAMPRO 1.6 that pumps out 200+ BHP is a RACE Engine, not for road use.


If crossing the finish line First, after starting from Pole Position and setting Fastest Lap of the Race on the way to a record 279 Laps Completed not Total Domination, I don't what is.

The fact that all this happened despite a 15 minute pit stop to settle some engine problems makes it more incredible.

yes, it did make the records of fastest lap & so on but i was referring to the actual race itself where it wasn't leading for the entire 279 laps. for a few hours during the race, it was quite a no. of laps down behind HMRT. its superiority over HMRT was so significant that it should have lead honda by more than 15 laps at the end, not mere 1 lap. well, at the end of the day, it won & that's all it counts, i guess...

 

[munky]

i think if honda wants to win it badly, they'll just ask those GT500 and GT300 nsx to race hahah. And when toyota and nissan decide to join, then MME becomes Super GT endurance race haha

 

[prozac]

A Super GT race derived from MME would be awesome. It'll show recognition that MME is finally a global sport with the potential to bump up the tourism here.

And having Honda bring in it's NSX or Nissan's Fairlady just for the sake of going against Amprex R3 is a true honour; akin to a great samurai who needs a switch to his greatest katana to challenge his new opponent; the wakazashi just couldn't compare to the extended keris

 

[WBW7827]

A Super GT race derived from MME would be awesome. It'll show recognition that MME is finally a global sport with the potential to bump up the tourism here.

And having Honda bring in it's NSX or Nissan's Fairlady just for the sake of going against Amprex R3 is a true honour; akin to a great samurai who needs a switch to his greatest katana to challenge his new opponent; the wakazashi just couldn't compare to the extended keris

emm..we will see in very near future nissan and toyota will strike their forces..on tourism aspect i think u r absolutely right..then we can become a merely good organiser without a good competitor..back to the sponsor issue again..actually there r numbers of foreign teams and we should be proud because they acknowledge and some sort of approve our MME as anything they want to. maybe they want to test their car or on due research..emm who knows..

p/s: anyway what engine that R3 lotus pakai?? sound like familiar.. anyone got info on that?

 

[WBW7827]

yes, it did make the records of fastest lap & so on but i was referring to the actual race itself where it wasn't leading for the entire 279 laps. for a few hours during the race, it was quite a no. of laps down behind HMRT. its superiority over HMRT was so significant that it should have lead honda by more than 15 laps at the end, not mere 1 lap. well, at the end of the day, it won & that's all it counts, i guess...

but if not because those "unplan pitstop" and quite hesitating race pace, R3 can be further front..who know..

 

[Hawke]

i would just like to say that i really respect the r3 team as they have done lotsa great stuff to cars.

unfortunately though, most of the cars end up non-proton, eg. proton uses mitsubishi for rally, lotus for mme, nissan (waja) for drifting.

most of the proton cars that are fast have changed to mitsubishi engines (gsr, mivec, etc.).

my point is that once u do not use the original engine to run in a race, it is quite misleading to list it as that company's car.

for example, if u were to install a ferarri engine into a proton, is it still a proton? it's just the shell right? it is actually ferarri's engine that ran the race...

i'd like to stress that i m not out to shoot down anybody but it just seems odd to claim a title using someone else's engine (and body in this case)...

yes, proton owns lotus, but because they did not make lotus merge into proton, they are still separate entities... so u can't really call it a proton win cause they were using a lotus car.

i would say it's an r3 win...

congrats to djan and gang :D

 

[gary]

i would just like to say that i really respect the r3 team as they have done lotsa great stuff to cars.

unfortunately though, most of the cars end up non-proton, eg. proton uses mitsubishi for rally, lotus for mme, nissan (waja) for drifting.

most of the proton cars that are fast have changed to mitsubishi engines (gsr, mivec, etc.).

my point is that once u do not use the original engine to run in a race, it is quite misleading to list it as that company's car.

for example, if u were to install a ferarri engine into a proton, is it still a proton? it's just the shell right? it is actually ferarri's engine that ran the race...

i'd like to stress that i m not out to shoot down anybody but it just seems odd to claim a title using someone else's engine (and body in this case)...

yes, proton owns lotus, but because they did not make lotus merge into proton, they are still separate entities... so u can't really call it a proton win cause they were using a lotus car.

i would say it's an r3 win...

congrats to djan and gang :D

It would be great if we could have malaysian cars running only malaysian engines winning races all over the world or in malaysia. unfortunately, in the real world of racing, that never "really" happens, especially at the highest level.

F1 is the biggest example of this. Not one single Manufacturer in F1 actually builds their own cars except maybe for toyota, which runs their own team and their own engine. The rest of them are run by specialist race teams.

 

[Hawke]

It would be great if we could have malaysian cars running only malaysian engines winning races all over the world or in malaysia. unfortunately, in the real world of racing, that never "really" happens, especially at the highest level.

F1 is the biggest example of this. Not one single Manufacturer in F1 actually builds their own cars except maybe for toyota, which runs their own team and their own engine. The rest of them are run by specialist race teams.

but look at the other teams for rally... peugeot uses peugeot engine right? so do ford, mitsubishi, subaru...

sorry, dunno much about f1 but i thought mclaren mercedes runs mercedes engine? bar honda runs honda engines right?

 

[faisal]

but look at the other teams for rally... peugeot uses peugeot engine right? so do ford, mitsubishi, subaru...

sorry, dunno much about f1 but i thought mclaren mercedes runs mercedes engine? bar honda runs honda engines right?

McLaren Mercedes runs Merc engines built in UK by Ilmor Engineering. Team McLaren do not build their own engine. But now Daimler Chrysler owns 40% of McLaren and nearly all of Ilmor.

British American Racing was set up as a Race team and engine were supplied by Honda. Now Honda has bought major shares in BAR.

With regards to Misu being used for rallying please note that was PERT that used those cars, not Proton. Proton were only sponsors.

Proton owns both R3 and Lotus, it only makes sense to for R3 to run a purpose built sports car by Lotus in a race. So if R3 and Lotus wins so does the Parent company Proton.

 

[Crash]

I dunno about you guys, but I think the keyword here is "branding".

And, a win is a win. Not happy? See you next year!

 

[Hawke]

McLaren Mercedes runs Merc engines built in UK by Ilmor Engineering. Team McLaren do not build their own engine. But now Daimler Chrysler owns 40% of McLaren and nearly all of Ilmor.

British American Racing was set up as a Race team and engine were supplied by Honda. Now Honda has bought major shares in BAR.

With regards to Misu being used for rallying please note that was PERT that used those cars, not Proton. Proton were only sponsors.

Proton owns both R3 and Lotus, it only makes sense to for R3 to run a purpose built sports car by Lotus in a race. So if R3 and Lotus wins so does the Parent company Proton.

i totally see de reasoning but if u follow de naming method, then shouldn't the team b known as proton lotus or r3 lotus, eg. bar honda, mclaren mercedes, etc. ?

not trying to be difficult, but just think that companies should b more accurate when they advertise a win. if it's a mitsu engine, then it's mitsu; if it's mercedes, then mercedes; if it's ferarri, then ferarri.

maybe can say sponsored by proton, etc.

sorry if i stepped on anyone's toes. totally not my intention... :)