Japan GP 2006

[spyderslr]

One of the reasons why we love Raikkonen so much. His skill and talent is one thing, but it is his sheer mental strength and determination that sets him apart from his peers. There has been plenty of other occasions when he has demonstrated his incredible will power and never-say-die attitude.

i 2nd to tat bro.......couldnt agree more.....n tats wat makes him such an attention to everyone n intereting driver to watch for every GP........it is such drama tat will help make F1 much more interesting....hehe....as compared to last year's , yawwwnnnzzzz.....

 

[GT3]

lets run a little poll on this, shall we? LOL

Hey GT3, FYI, me no Mclaren or Kimi fanboy, i dislike Mclaren(guess which team i support)
BTW, why you have to call others some fanboy? Is this the way you respond when you ran out of points to defend your stand?
About the FIA error, Flavio Briatore or Alonso wasn't complaining, why you keep bitching about that?

It's a great race , and all i know is that the world champ's a victory short of Raikonen now, how proud can the WDC be if Raikonen won in Shanghai again? I certainly would like to see that to happend....LOL

haha well cool.. coz i don like mclaren as well.. anyway abt the error i m not bitching fyi.. i m jus saying it was an incident that might hav loose alonso the chance of winning.. if i m bithching i would hav said kimi won it from alonso's misfortune n wont admit he deserve it..

n to be frank.. renault been slower than mclaren almost the whole season.. it might be jus abit slower this race in terms of 1 lap but its was much slower most of the races.. n race pace wise if u do some reseach on average renault is 0.5 to 0.8 sec slower in terms of race pace.. n thats alot.. so it wont be suprising if mclaren win more races.. what is suprising is alonso on a slower car can win as many as kimi prior to japan..

btw if its not mclaren reliability prob i would said kimi is the champ but then like some of u says shit happens so why cant those 'some of u' accept that alonso deserve the title?

p/s: btw what makes u think i m refering u as kimi's fan?? haha.. i said there are at least one of u that is not evry1..

 

[GT3]

Some interesting quotes:

Proves Alonso's Renault was just as fast as Raikkonen's McLaren.

One of the reasons why we love Raikkonen so much. His skill and talent is one thing, but it is his sheer mental strength and determination that sets him apart from his peers. There has been plenty of other occasions when he has demonstrated his incredible will power and never-say-die attitude.

what Pat said was they were similiar on pace n he also commented abt traffic m i right? so given the fact that FIA incident dint happen well isnt it fair to say alonso do stand a chance?

i don like kimi fyi.. its jus a preference thing if u ask why i don like him.. but i do admire n respect his ability as a driver..

 

[RPM_freak]

Kimi has been driving around almost all the circuit with a heavier car..he would always be one of the last to pit..and i dont think handeling a heavy car and yet being able to obtain P1,P2 .. or even P4 is an easy job. Alanso uses a conservative tactic..cars always not too heavy .. that alredy makes his job easier. ..also the amout of time kimi has to deal with a blown engine or a faulty car causing him to go down 10 places.. fighting back from that is a whole new thing ..

I still think shumi is the GREAT of F1..lost count of the number of times he has pulled out wonder laps out of nothing and also not forgeting he is the RAIN MASTER ... (iam not a ferrari fan) ..

 

[si|verfish]

n to be frank.. renault been slower than mclaren almost the whole season..

No shit, Sherlock!

it might be jus abit slower this race in terms of 1 lap but its was much slower most of the races.. n race pace wise if u do some reseach on average renault is 0.5 to 0.8 sec slower in terms of race pace.. n thats alot.. so it wont be suprising if mclaren win more races.. what is suprising is alonso on a slower car can win as many as kimi prior to japan..

It isn't surprising. For the 1st 4 GPs of the season, McLaren had some teething problems with their new car and were struggling for pace in qualifying. Alonso won 3 of his GPs then. Fair enough. After that, when the McLaren started to eat everyone else for breakfast, Alonso only won when misfortune struck the McLaren team and Kimi in general.

Here, check it out yourself:
Fernando Alonso - Renault
AUS) 6
MYS) 10
BAH) 10
SMR) 10
ESP) 8
MCO) 5
EUR) 10
CAN)
USA)
FRA) 10
GBP) 8
GER 10
HUN)
TUR) 8
ITA) 8
BEL) 8
BRA) 6
JPN) 6
Total) 123

Kimi Räikkönen - McLaren
AUS) 1
MYS)
BAH) 6
SMR)
ESP) 10
MCO) 10
EUR)
CAN) 10
USA)
FRA) 8
GBP) 6
GER)
HUN) 10
TUR) 10
ITA) 5
BEL) 10
BRA) 8
JPN) 10
Total) 104

btw if its not mclaren reliability prob i would said kimi is the champ but then like some of u says shit happens so why cant those 'some of u' accept that alonso deserve the title?

Am I in the "some of you"? Alonso has been the most consistent performer throughout the season. He has the mst points. Therefore, he is the World Champion. No doubt there. But, the highlight of the season has always been Kimi Raikkonen. We all know that.

 

[si|verfish]

what Pat said was they were similiar on pace n he also commented abt traffic m i right? so given the fact that FIA incident dint happen well isnt it fair to say alonso do stand a chance?

I certainly didn't say Alonso didn't stand a chance. Heck, Fisichella stood a chance. Montoya probably would have stood a chance if he didn't crash. Just that like most level headed people, I think Kimi was the driver of the day.

i don like kimi fyi.. its jus a preference thing if u ask why i don like him.. but i do admire n respect his ability as a driver..

Fair enough.

Just like I happen to think Alonso is a twat with a ridiculous jawline, cartoon eyebrows and a stupid beard. Like this http://www.mrtoys.com/sesamestreet/pics/sesame-street-bert-hand-puppet-by-gund.jpg

He is still a great driver though.

 

[si|verfish]

Kimi has been driving around almost all the circuit with a heavier car..he would always be one of the last to pit..and i dont think handeling a heavy car and yet being able to obtain P1,P2 .. or even P4 is an easy job. Alanso uses a conservative tactic..cars always not too heavy .. that alredy makes his job easier. ..also the amout of time kimi has to deal with a blown engine or a faulty car causing him to go down 10 places.. fighting back from that is a whole new thing ..

Exactly. People think because he has a faster car that he has it so easy. When in fact he fought harder and drove harder than anybody else on the grid. If anybody had it easy, it was Alonso. With his big lead, for half of the season he can be laid back and see what Raikkonen throws at him. Just maintaining the distance. Raikkonen fought Lady Luck and Alonso both at the same time.

I still think shumi is the GREAT of F1..lost count of the number of times he has pulled out wonder laps out of nothing and also not forgeting he is the RAIN MASTER ... (iam not a ferrari fan) ..

Disagree. He is the most successful no doubt. But not the greatest.

 

[igor30]

True bro..the Iceman is the real h/light...the Finnish will finish em' all...

 

[igor30]

just imagine Mika n Kimi in mclaren this year...the Flying Finns....

 

[BlackSamurai]

mika and kimi, both are great finn driver, but different driving style.
and I admire Mika, he is a true gentlemen in F1, both inside and outside the circuit..

 

[RPM_freak]

this fin`s really got somthing going on with cars man .. even in the WRC chanpionship fin`s put on a good show .. must be all the training they get from driving on snow heh ? ..

i think kimi is better then mika .. Kimi more brutal ..

 

[igor30]

True bro..kimi looks 2 b brutal a bit..anyway mika used to be fast...however once hampered by the ill deceases of mclaren...member bengang and terus resign..do wanna drive f1 car anymore..interms of personality ,i find mika is more entertaining..sometime got make fun out of michael during press conference summore..kimi..is the othr way round ...the reporters like to ask him soo many question so he really start to speak n joke..Summoe spraying champagne also like so dull kinda thing...kimi gotto learn to change a lil bit of his PR...anyway Icecool Finn RULEZZZ !!!

 

[si|verfish]

Kimi is only the Iceman on the outside. On the inside he is the Human Torch :D

 

[igor30]

And I heard kimi is good in booze as well...member booze sampai tak ingat waaann...disturb the pole dancers sos...very interesting...:)...:)

 

[GT3]

Kimi has been driving around almost all the circuit with a heavier car..he would always be one of the last to pit..and i dont think handeling a heavy car and yet being able to obtain P1,P2 .. or even P4 is an easy job. Alanso uses a conservative tactic..cars always not too heavy .. that alredy makes his job easier. ..also the amout of time kimi has to deal with a blown engine or a faulty car causing him to go down 10 places.. fighting back from that is a whole new thing ..

I still think shumi is the GREAT of F1..lost count of the number of times he has pulled out wonder laps out of nothing and also not forgeting he is the RAIN MASTER ... (iam not a ferrari fan) ..

u know what u jus remind me of a pt.. mclaren was that fast u see.. even with a heavy fuel load that car was able to lap as quickly as a renault.. or even faster.. that makes mclaren's tactic work easily (to win the race).. not to say it doesnt require a brilliant drive from kimi but face it.. the advantage in car pace gave kimi the win.. even someone else who drive as brilliat as him (n fact there is no way any1 can be 2 secs faster than kimi in identical car even if its michael or juan or fernando or fisi) would not be able to win as long as the car is slower.. (i do admit kimi was driving brilliantly that race but honestly i tot alonso was brilliant too.. if not for his slower car (proven by fuel load and also fisi) and the incident with FIA he stand a chance to win n of coz he deserve more credit from others for his well done job

 

[GT3]

Am I in the "some of you"? Alonso has been the most consistent performer throughout the season. He has the mst points. Therefore, he is the World Champion. No doubt there. But, the highlight of the season has always been Kimi Raikkonen. We all know that.

haha.. again its simple.. generally layman would jus focus on who won more races n not who been driving greatly the whole yr.. kimi drove great so did alonso.. jus that alonso wasnt having a great car (in terms of pace) like mclaren he wasnt able to win as many as kimi.. but through out the year he never gave up for a win.. he is always in the hunt.. driving as hard as he could n see if luck comes to him.. nurburing was an example of this.. n ignore the fact he won a race less than kimi.. through out the yr all the races hav u seen alonso making many mistake? as far i could tell there was only one mistake he made which was in canada which was hitting the wall.. i believe kimi had its mistakes too right? again the 1 i remember that affect him the most would be nurburing when he suffer a DNF becoz he lock his wheel, damage the tire and in the end damage the suspention until the car cant take it..

i admire and respect what alonso have archieve this yr.. the highlight of the season u could say its kimi but i would say its alonso n kimi.. they been equally brilliant this yr for their drive n the mental strenght

 

[si|verfish]

u know what u jus remind me of a pt.. mclaren was that fast u see.. even with a heavy fuel load that car was able to lap as quickly as a renault.. or even faster.. that makes mclaren's tactic work easily (to win the race).. not to say it doesnt require a brilliant drive from kimi but face it.. the advantage in car pace gave kimi the win.. even someone else who drive as brilliat as him (n fact there is no way any1 can be 2 secs faster than kimi in identical car even if its michael or juan or fernando or fisi) would not be able to win as long as the car is slower.. (i do admit kimi was driving brilliantly that race but honestly i tot alonso was brilliant too.. if not for his slower car (proven by fuel load and also fisi) and the incident with FIA he stand a chance to win n of coz he deserve more credit from others for his well done job

Aduh...

How many times have I got to say this. Or, do you just don't read what others post?

Fact 1: Fernando Alonso and Pat Symonds, both from team Mild Seven Renault publicly stated that the Renault was a match for the McLaren at Suzuka, irrespective of fuel loads, etc. Just the pure pace of the car. The cars were quite equal. The fastest lap posted proves this as it is done when the cars are low on fuel.

So that alone refutes your claim already. Unless you think you know better than they do.

Fact 2: I thank you for pointing out the heavy fuel load. Which puts Raikkonen's performance in an even better light. I don't remember exactly how much time is taken out of your lap time per kilo of fuel. Raikkonen had 4 or 5 laps of fuel more than Alonso. That's a big handicap and yet he could keep up with Alonso.

Fact 3: Raikkonen had another handicap because of his short 7th gear. Which kept hitting the limiter and robs him of top speed.

GT3, look, Alonso did a great job and had a great drive. He was unlucky with the FIA and yes it probably cost him the race. Nobody is refuting this fact. But you've got to get your facts straight.

You are well entitled to your opinion that Alonso drove better at Suzuka. So do we, and I have a load of fact to back it up. Not just my opinion.

Cheers

 

[GT3]

Aduh...

How many times have I got to say this. Or, do you just don't read what others post?

Fact 1: Fernando Alonso and Pat Symonds, both from team Mild Seven Renault publicly stated that the Renault was a match for the McLaren at Suzuka, irrespective of fuel loads, etc. Just the pure pace of the car. The cars were quite equal. The fastest lap posted proves this as it is done when the cars are low on fuel.

So that alone refutes your claim already. Unless you think you know better than they do.

Fact 2: I thank you for pointing out the heavy fuel load. Which puts Raikkonen's performance in an even better light. I don't remember exactly how much time is taken out of your lap time per kilo of fuel. Raikkonen had 4 or 5 laps of fuel more than Alonso. That's a big handicap and yet he could keep up with Alonso.

Fact 3: Raikkonen had another handicap because of his short 7th gear. Which kept hitting the limiter and robs him of top speed.

GT3, look, Alonso did a great job and had a great drive. He was unlucky with the FIA and yes it probably cost him the race. Nobody is refuting this fact. But you've got to get your facts straight.

You are well entitled to your opinion that Alonso drove better at Suzuka. So do we, and I have a load of fact to back it up. Not just my opinion.

Cheers

haha.. seems i get u work up..

anyway let me counter ur facts.. shall we?

abt what pat n alonso says.. as far as i m concern they been always saying that after they lost a race.. in fact i always read from their official press release that they claim they are not far from mclaren in terms of pace? so what do u expect them to say? our car is shit and mclaren is miles better? i don think so.. its PR term (f1 nowadays are PR like it anot) even though there is some version of truth in it.. not to say i know better but then honestly u don look at 1 lap diff my fren.. its RACE PACE that matters during a race.. alonso might be jus 0.00 something slower than kimi in terms of fastest lap but the race race of renault was inferior to mclaren espeacially when both mclaren or renault is under the same heavy fuel load.. admit it.. mclaren are better in terms of race pace almost in evry condition as compare to renault.. fact that alonso could be so close to kimi in a car that is supposing slower (look at fisi) proves he done a great n brilliat job

1 lap worth of fuel is 0.3 sec if i m not wrong.. so again we come back to the same thing.. fact is kimi wont be more than 1 secs faster than alonso in the same car right do u agree? so say if he hav 4 to 5 laps more fuel than alonso means he been lapping the same pace as the renault means how much advantage the car hav.. n its not only this race. last time i checked mclaren always able to put in more fuel in their qualifying n still qualified great becoz of the car advantage they hav..

shorter gear like it anot is what he chose.. don only focus on the bad side.. he may hv chose it so he would hav a better accelaration? u wont know how much help it been in terms of traction but every1 will know how much damage it is in terms of top speed (of coz this is jus my opinion.. doubt u will listen to it)

 

[zeroTohundred]

but but but...what about Ferrari? F2005 was a great car too? Michael came out in front of Alonso after pitted together with Kimi....
i can't figure that out, is it bcoz F2005 as fast as Mclaren or faster than Renault , Michael a better driver than Alonso or Alonso a shitty driver? enlighten me pls

 

[si|verfish]

haha.. seems i get u work up..

anyway let me counter ur facts.. shall we?

abt what pat n alonso says.. as far as i m concern they been always saying that after they lost a race.. in fact i always read from their official press release that they claim they are not far from mclaren in terms of pace? so what do u expect them to say? our car is shit and mclaren is miles better? i don think so.. its PR term (f1 nowadays are PR like it anot) even though there is some version of truth in it.. not to say i know better but then honestly u don look at 1 lap diff my fren.. its RACE PACE that matters during a race.. alonso might be jus 0.00 something slower than kimi in terms of fastest lap but the race race of renault was inferior to mclaren espeacially when both mclaren or renault is under the same heavy fuel load.. admit it.. mclaren are better in terms of race pace almost in evry condition as compare to renault.. fact that alonso could be so close to kimi in a car that is supposing slower (look at fisi) proves he done a great n brilliat job

1 lap worth of fuel is 0.3 sec if i m not wrong.. so again we come back to the same thing.. fact is kimi wont be more than 1 secs faster than alonso in the same car right do u agree? so say if he hav 4 to 5 laps more fuel than alonso means he been lapping the same pace as the renault means how much advantage the car hav.. n its not only this race. last time i checked mclaren always able to put in more fuel in their qualifying n still qualified great becoz of the car advantage they hav..

shorter gear like it anot is what he chose.. don only focus on the bad side.. he may hv chose it so he would hav a better accelaration? u wont know how much help it been in terms of traction but every1 will know how much damage it is in terms of top speed (of coz this is jus my opinion.. doubt u will listen to it)

That's not PR lar. Itu cakap betul punya. It is Alonso's and Pat's post race comments. So you are suggesting that they are lying? Previously, they would admit the McLaren's were faster. I remember very clearly. Even at Brazil where BEFORE the race Renault claimed to have an equal car, AFTER the race they admitted they were wrong. PR itu lain cerita. There's nothing wrong with admitting they have a slower car. They do it all the time. Don't be silly.

Fisichella? What about him? He got chopped by Kimi down to 1) His rear tyre wear 2) He panicked 3) Raikkonen drove his socks off for the last 5 laps 4) He got trouble from a backmarker 5) He made a mistake leading into the chicane and final corner enabling Raikkonen to take the slipstream and pull through. Not because Raikkonen had a hugely faster car.

Sure one lap isn't the most accurate, but it gives you an idea of how fast the respective cars are. Which is more accurate than your judgement of speed through the tele. You keep harping on the McLaren being a couple of seconds faster. Where's your proof?

And, just to set things straight, I'm talking purely about Suzuka, not the other GPs where the McLarens showed obvious advantage in speed.

No he didn't choose the shorter gear for better acceleration. They set it up on basis of the conditions on previous days which were damp. The thing is, on a dry track, that short 7th gear makes it more difficult for him to overtake.