HID Brightness Measure In Lumens

[astalavista_baby]

by the way not all ece projector produce purple colour and only 5 series and few 3 series (fitted with Valeo head lamp) will produce purple ..... bosch ECE provide wider beam and nice cut off but poor in colour ...

Thanks for the feedback. Now I know. :D

 

[astalavista_baby]

I am using Imperial Concept HID, 8000k. Cost me about RM1k. It's not as bright as some other better HID but it's still brighter than normal car's lighting and it's fully white, not yellowish/orangey. If you want something very bright, go for those more expensive one...

Imperial concept is quite a famous brand, no? I presume it's light output is pretty good right? Have you tried the 6000K? You could probably see the difference. Just a thought. :)

 

[HidSeller]

imperial and econ is the same product but bring in by two different company, forget which on is import in by malaysia PIAA (TJM) ......
good product but now day china product too cheap lia ......

 

[HidSeller]

imperial and econ is the same product but bring in by two different company, forget which on is import in by malaysia PIAA (TJM) ......
good product but now day china product too cheap lia ......

 

[siangmh]

Thank for all info & feedback, thanks all sifus :>

Welcome for more response......me thirsty for feedback :P

As for the siliconed glued thing: the used HID didn't have it originally, its d accs shop ppl that silicone glued it (i guess they also no confidence in water proof issue of HID), very ugly looking after siliconed it...& more ugly after wrapped inside a xyz plastic bag...

As for ori head lamp color temp: is it 4300K or 4100k? or how many K is it?

I dont see any accs shop have d ori head lamp color HID, have u guys seen it anywhere? or do u guys sell it?

Why so rare of it? no market demand ar?

 

[darrenpuah]

We are selling 4300K and 5000K HID for any bulb model....

 

[b00n]

quite informative ler...
I think I'll ask the mod to stick this topic up...

OEM hid is usually only 4300k which is explained above; giving u the best lumen and lightings even in rainy or foggy conditions.
Alot OEM hid bulb and ballast is being manufactured by Phillips. Heard that their selling it at around RM500 for a chop shop item.

 

[siangmh]

quite informative ler...
I think I'll ask the mod to stick this topic up...

OEM hid is usually only 4300k which is explained above; giving u the best lumen and lightings even in rainy or foggy conditions.
Alot OEM hid bulb and ballast is being manufactured by Phillips. Heard that their selling it at around RM500 for a chop shop item.

Wow, it would be good if this can stick-up :shades_smile: Thanks bro. I thought a lot of ppl dont like to read boring long writtings, except those good pic as provided by HidSeller.

OEM Color Temp
Bcos sifu astalavista_baby mentioned 4300k earlier, then mentioned 4100k later, so i dunno which one is the right one :embaressed_smile:

Plus, i did tried d 4500k 60W white halogen (blue bulb casing), it white color with a little bit yellow only, its not same as yellow head light color, and i guess 4300k & 4500k not much difference right?

So how come head light color is 4300k then? shldn't it be of lower K like 3XXX or 4000k like that? if what d blue bulb stated 4500k is correct.......

Or its d white halogen stating some wrong info? or its the blue casing that distort the color to become white hence giving wrong impression to me? that makes me think that 4500k is actualy so "white"?

Does the normal 55W/60 yellow halogen state color temp on its casing or packaging? Anyone come across it?

Does a 4500k HID require blue bulb casing? Should not right? normal halogen also dont have mar...

 

[b00n]

the blue bulb casing would actually made the light come out white.
It's just a gimmick to attract customers.
Guess standard HID color temp is 4300K, 6000K, 8000K and 12500K (correct me if I'm wrong).

Normal halogen itself is bright enough; just that the length of the beam is not that strong/far. Thus the use of HID in projector head lamp.

 

[siangmh]

Apart from those queries in post #28 that still unclear to me, i also got question about projector:

1) its main objective is to focus the light & "project" them farther away, right?

2) then it will reduce the spreading / wideness of light, right?

3) or bcos projector casing is place inner side of the head lamp, so it still can spread / widen the light by the help of the head lamp reflector?

4) so those retrofit projector into existing reflector head lamp, if installed projector too close to the glass cover, actually block d reflector & its light cant spread wide?

5) darken / sprayed black color of the reflctor is defeating the purpose of reflecting light spread? eventhough retrofit a projector inside it?

6) then how come waja/BMW projector also so close to the glass cover?

 

[sakuraguy]

Thread "Sticked" .. please add more additional information rather than chit-chatting generally.

Thnx

SakuraGuy
Zerotohundred.Com

 

[kevinc]

Apart from those queries in post #28 that still unclear to me, i also got question about projector:

1) its main objective is to focus the light & "project" them farther away, right?
yup

2) then it will reduce the spreading / wideness of light, right?
in fact it will increase the wideness...depends on the size of the projector lense....bigger the lense....wider the coverage....

3) or bcos projector casing is place inner side of the head lamp, so it still can spread / widen the light by the help of the head lamp reflector?
projectors are standalone entities. no reflector is found in a projector headlamp...apart from 4-lamps system which two lamps are used for high beam

4) so those retrofit projector into existing reflector head lamp, if installed projector too close to the glass cover, actually block d reflector & its light cant spread wide?
the closer of projector to the glass cover the better. have to be clear glass. after projector is retrofited...the reflector is recommended to spray black.

5) darken / sprayed black color of the reflctor is defeating the purpose of reflecting light spread? eventhough retrofit a projector inside it?
it's better to spray black on the reflector after projector is retrofitted onto it

6) then how come waja/BMW projector also so close to the glass cover?

to maximise the coverage area. to reduce light source being blocked by any part of headlamp casing.

 

[siangmh]

Thanks Kevinc, saw ur postings in Hid.com.my. Very informative though.

Hope u can clear somemore of these :>

Retrofit Projector
1) If non-clear glass cover (like wira ori head lamp) retrofit with projector, will the non-clear glass intervene light spread to become:
~ uneven
~ unfocus (ie also shoot else where) (& creates "dead spot")

& subsequently, "glare" other ppl?

2) So, projector MUST combo with clear GLASS only, right?

3) What is d purpose of spray black the reflector after retrofitted with projector?
~ solely for cosmetic effect?
~ relevant to reduce glare?
~ why Waja / BMW lamp dont have to spray black?

4) If wira retrofit with BMW projector & same K HID, does it mean it gets the same lighting output as BMW?

After-Market Clear "Glass" Head Lamp

4) Those after market clear "glass" head lamp are actually made of plastic & not glass, right?

5) Are they taiwan made?

6) So if its plastic, they cant last for long (ori glass won't fade even >5 yrs) time & will eventually be fade out / blur, right?

7) Even, if its use with HID, still, it will fade out in long term (>5yrs), right?

HID Operating Temperature

8) Since the balast input is 35W, it will be "not so hot", right?

9) but as very bright lights produced by HID bulb, the temperature of the bulb should be very high? As lights carry energy/heat, therefore brighter = more heat?

10) Assuming no projector were use: will the HID bulb's high temperature damages the reflector?

11) I have seen alot of after market clear "glass" lamp faded out. What makes d reflector to fade out / blur?
~ Heat? (eg use of 90W or higher watt halogen bulb?)

Sorry for long list of Qs, if u dont mine, can u please also clear those Qs in post #28 as well?

Thank you sifu in advance :>

 

[astalavista_baby]

Wow, it would be good if this can stick-up :shades_smile: Thanks bro. I thought a lot of ppl dont like to read boring long writtings, except those good pic as provided by HidSeller.

OEM Color Temp
Bcos sifu astalavista_baby mentioned 4300k earlier, then mentioned 4100k later, so i dunno which one is the right one :embaressed_smile:

Plus, i did tried d 4500k 60W white halogen (blue bulb casing), it white color with a little bit yellow only, its not same as yellow head light color, and i guess 4300k & 4500k not much difference right?

So how come head light color is 4300k then? shldn't it be of lower K like 3XXX or 4000k like that? if what d blue bulb stated 4500k is correct.......

Or its d white halogen stating some wrong info? or its the blue casing that distort the color to become white hence giving wrong impression to me? that makes me think that 4500k is actualy so "white"?

Does the normal 55W/60 yellow halogen state color temp on its casing or packaging? Anyone come across it?

Does a 4500k HID require blue bulb casing? Should not right? normal halogen also dont have mar...

Sorry, my bad, the OEM colour is 4100K. As for your testing with the "blue bulb", yes there is not much difference between the 4300K and the 4500K. If you compare this to the 4100K HID, you will notice that the 4100K HID gives you bright white light output rather than yellow. You can consider 4100K as daylight white and 6000K as slightly blueish white.

The blue filter used on halogens can almost never filter out the yellow spectrum completely unless the bulb is heavily coated which then results in dim lighting. The measurement of Kelvin is more accurate on HIDs than that on a coated halogenas HIDs produce natural colour within the 4100K-6000K range. Normal yellow halogens would give accurate Kelvin readings as that's the natural colour. Halogens are rated at about 3300K-3500K. So you get the difference between the 4100K HID and the 3300K halogen.

You can compare some halogens and you will notice that some claim their halogens to be 4500K and some at 5000K and you end up having almost the same thing. If you have to use blue coated halogens, I recommend Philips SilverVision which is rated at 4300K or the Aura halogens rated at 4200K. Both produce brilliant white light with slight stinge of yellow and both produce pretty strong beams. From far, it would look daylight white. I am a very satisfied user of both products. I didn't go for the Philips BlueVision rated at 5000K as its slightly blueish and more for cosmetics and has reduced lumens.

Perhaps it is the HID intensity and also the blue halogen coating that causes the 6000K HID to look whiter than the halogen 5000K which looks blueish. The halogen 5000K might look blue but the light produced is still white I suppose, and I believe the 5000K halogen is rated from the colour of the light emitted, not the looks. I might be wrong here, correct me.

Normal OEM yellow halogens seldom state colour temparature on their packaging. It's manufacturer dependent I guess.

Kidding me right? Philips manufacture the 6000K Ultinon Xenon bulbs with no blue coating, so you do the math. Again, please refer to my previous post as to why some manufacturers utilize blue coating.

 

[astalavista_baby]

the blue bulb casing would actually made the light come out white.
It's just a gimmick to attract customers.
Guess standard HID color temp is 4300K, 6000K, 8000K and 12500K (correct me if I'm wrong).

Normal halogen itself is bright enough; just that the length of the beam is not that strong/far. Thus the use of HID in projector head lamp.

The more popular colour temparatures are 4100K, 6000K, 8000K, 10000K and 12500K. Some manufacturers produce colours of all Ks for different purposes. :)

Halogens produce about 1400 lumens of light and HIDs produce about 2800-3200 lumens. I still don't see the relation between using HIDs in projectors and the halogen brightness.

 

[astalavista_baby]

Apart from those queries in post #28 that still unclear to me, i also got question about projector:

1) its main objective is to focus the light & "project" them farther away, right?

2) then it will reduce the spreading / wideness of light, right?

3) or bcos projector casing is place inner side of the head lamp, so it still can spread / widen the light by the help of the head lamp reflector?

4) so those retrofit projector into existing reflector head lamp, if installed projector too close to the glass cover, actually block d reflector & its light cant spread wide?

5) darken / sprayed black color of the reflctor is defeating the purpose of reflecting light spread? eventhough retrofit a projector inside it?

6) then how come waja/BMW projector also so close to the glass cover?

1) Its main objective is to produce brilliant beam with perfect cut off lines to reduce glare. It projects the beam evenly on the ground surface and depending on the diameter and optics of the projector lense, it projects a wide and far beam.

2) Not exactly.

3) You don't exactly have a reflector to help anymore, the projector lense itself does the job.

4) No, in fact it is better to allow the projector to spread its beams without any block from the headlamp unit.

5) Refer to item 3. The spraying of black can perhaps help to reduce the glare. Depending on the design of the headlamp, it is optional.

6) I guess bro kevinc has answered this one very well. :)

 

[astalavista_baby]

Thanks Kevinc, saw ur postings in Hid.com.my. Very informative though.

Hope u can clear somemore of these :>

Retrofit Projector
1) If non-clear glass cover (like wira ori head lamp) retrofit with projector, will the non-clear glass intervene light spread to become:
~ uneven
~ unfocus (ie also shoot else where) (& creates "dead spot")

& subsequently, "glare" other ppl?

2) So, projector MUST combo with clear GLASS only, right?

3) What is d purpose of spray black the reflector after retrofitted with projector?
~ solely for cosmetic effect?
~ relevant to reduce glare?
~ why Waja / BMW lamp dont have to spray black?

4) If wira retrofit with BMW projector & same K HID, does it mean it gets the same lighting output as BMW?

After-Market Clear "Glass" Head Lamp

4) Those after market clear "glass" head lamp are actually made of plastic & not glass, right?

5) Are they taiwan made?

6) So if its plastic, they cant last for long (ori glass won't fade even >5 yrs) time & will eventually be fade out / blur, right?

7) Even, if its use with HID, still, it will fade out in long term (>5yrs), right?

HID Operating Temperature

8) Since the balast input is 35W, it will be "not so hot", right?

9) but as very bright lights produced by HID bulb, the temperature of the bulb should be very high? As lights carry energy/heat, therefore brighter = more heat?

10) Assuming no projector were use: will the HID bulb's high temperature damages the reflector?

11) I have seen alot of after market clear "glass" lamp faded out. What makes d reflector to fade out / blur?
~ Heat? (eg use of 90W or higher watt halogen bulb?)

Sorry for long list of Qs, if u dont mine, can u please also clear those Qs in post #28 as well?

Thank you sifu in advance :>

1) It defeats the purpose of the projector. It's just like you wearing glasses and then putting a filter layer between your eyes and glasses. Do you think the image can focus on your cornea? My conclusion is it gives a different light spread. I might be wrong here so correct me if I am. Thank you.

2) Preferably or rather, it's a must. It looks nicer and it gives better light spread. I cannot find any reason why people would want to install a projector on a non-clear glass.

3) I believe it's to reduce glare and also for a more sportish look. Again, as I have stated above, it is optional as glare would not really occur with proper headlamp design and proper installation of projectors. Does a BMW projector glares? No it doesn't so it is prove that the headlamps not necessarily have to be sprayed black to reduce glare.

4) Most probably. Provided you use the same HID components and same projectors, I believe you should get almost the same light output, if not the same.

4) The 4 is intentional to match the above questions. Back to the question, not only after market ones, most cars nowadays if you notice use plastic, if that is what they call it. Try to knock on the OEM Perdana headlights. Those are by Bosch and they are plastic!

5) Only the importer knows! :P

6) This also depends on the halogen or HID bulb you use. Some bulbs are not UV Quartz and hence the UV ray can cause the headlamp to turn yellow. Philips bulbs utilize UV Quartz glass.

7) Refer to item 6. HIDs operate at less heat than halogens.35W vs 55W, you do the maths. :)

8) Correct.

9) Not in the case of HIDs. In the case of halogens heating the filamen for brighter lights, yes.

10) Again, refer to item 6.

11) Again refer to item 6 and yes, also probably due to heat and low quality headlamp.

I hope that answers all your questions. Phew, that was a long one. Again, I reiterate I am no expert at this and information is provided "as-is". Please correct me if I am wrong at any point. Thank you and cheers! :)

 

[m3 power]

i'm using 6000k hid and my car is kancil facelift. the headlamp is crystal type of headlamp n the brightness of the hid is giving glare to others. how to adjust the angle bkos my headlamp is not adjustable. how to solve this prob? do i need to change the headlamp that smoke surrounding or else? can help me sifus-sifus? respect!!

 

[siangmh]

Phew, good answers there Astalavista_Baby (ur Arny's fan? dude :>)

You have been really modest. Thank You alot Sifu :>

Thanks Kevinc again :>

Sorry i didn't pickup some answers carefully enough as already explain by u guys previously.

So, as usual, more feedback, more question, soli ya...

UV Quartz Bulb (HID or Halogen)

1) Is it refer to the bulb's glass? or additional casing? or added special coating on the bulb?

2) How do we know whether a particular bulb is UV Quartz Bulb, i dont see it in HID packaging as well?

Blue Coating HID Xenon Bulb

3) Should not buy this type of HID, right? as its a "flawed" product which cant attain the right Kelvin by the right way.....(strangely, still see quite a lot of these HID in the market about rm500 ~ 700...)

OEM HID Color Temperature

4) So, the BMW/Benz/Estima OEM HID is 4100K? & OEM Halogen is about 3500K?

5) If i want a HID brightness (about 3000 lumens) but color looks close to the OEM Halogen yellowish color, i should look for 3500K?

The reason being:

~ now most of the city road covered by yellowish street light, a white light doesn't look "bright" on these road, only do good on dark area without street light.

~ Raining or Foggy time, still yellow light is more visible compare to white light. Thats why Fog Light are desiged to be so yellowish, right?

~ But OEM 55W/60 Halogen is sometimes jsut not bright enough.......

HID Brightness

6) Any idea why some HID supplier say 3500K to 4300k is not as bright as those 6000K/8000k? Bcos they also blur blur?

7) Or is it bcos too much "fake" HID around 3500k to 4300K? like those which utilise ballast also but infact act as power bootster only? Maybe still using filament bulb?

8) Or bcos 3500 ~ 4300K have shorter wave length than 6000~8000K, so they "look" like not so bright as 6000K?

9) But then Lumen wise, 3500k should be stronger (higher Lumens) than 6000k (as explained in earlier post) right?

Thanks in advance!!

 

[kevinc]

i'm using 6000k hid and my car is kancil facelift. the headlamp is crystal type of headlamp n the brightness of the hid is giving glare to others. how to adjust the angle bkos my headlamp is not adjustable. how to solve this prob? do i need to change the headlamp that smoke surrounding or else? can help me sifus-sifus? respect!!

make sure your h4 HID bulbs comes with bottom & front glare shields. most china HID doesn't has it.
the glarings are caused by the unprotected / unwanted light source from the low beam xenon arch. with the shields then only you could adjust the headlamp angles effectively.