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coldfish said:
aaiyyoo like dis i sure lose one......
i want to buy a 15bhp pocketbike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and drag with b16a
ok zero4....see u at Gazebo tonite hehe
but i dun have a 15bhp pocketbikeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, no moneyyyyyy
I oso dun have ... heheh......use skateboard lor
skateboard so sloooooowwwww
in my pov, VTECs r fast. its just dat most VTECs including the integra type R (spoon chip, 2.5inch zorst, etc) dat i left, was moded the wrong way. a 2.5inch zorst will shift ur usable street powerband upwards the revv line, which isnt good since VTEC engine doesnt produce dat much torque in the lower revv region. in fact, VTEC doesnt even produce enuff pulling power even in higher revv. so, installing a big dia zorst isnt alwiz a good idea, because u r giving away response in the chase of high power in higher revv which is by the way alwiz be in the redline zone ie 9000rpm. u will revv cut before u touch dat power figure, whats the point? the most responsive VTEC i ever drove was using an apexi filter, a 2 inch pipe, an S flow hotbits muffler, wit 2 middle bullets. others? felt the kick once the VTEC roar in but dat was all.
yes, once the VTEC kicks in, there was this similar feeling like the turbo equipped engine acceleration, BUT just looking at the rpm isnt enuff. do take a peek at the speedo, and u'll be surprise!! i tried to revv the limit of a std b18R in 5th, it just bring the car to a "mere" 180+kmh whereas my std 4efte brings me there in 3rd, in lesser time. both are std. the ratio is short, which allows the engine to perform good.
VTEC controller? hmm.. using this is good, but dont ever try to shift the VTEC operational region below den 5000rpm. if u do nothing to improve the intake airflow, dont ever dream of doing dat. as i experimented, the lowest optimum rpm for the VTEC to operate is at the std factory setting, cant remember if its at 5500rpm? its IF u have mods to improve the airflow, dat the system operates optimum below den the std setting. how do i explain dis? here goes, VTECs r mainly actuator-like-valves dat if activated via the VTEC pump (they r not activated by oil pressure, but the oil pressure is used to activate them. this is sumhow misintepreted), it will lock the valves corresponding to them, opening extra channels for the increased air flow to the combustion chamber (usually in higher revv), to let more air in, to create more power. its the basic theory in an internal combustion engine, more air lets more fuel to be burnt, thus creating more power. but, what if the airflow isnt high enuff? its just a waste of time and energy, u r supplying extra fuel which wont be burnt, which wont produce good energy to pull the car. again, whats the point?
VAFC,now this is a different story. its like a SAFC which is used to tune the afr to perfection (matches the fuel NEEDED for the airflow for dat particular rpm) throughout the revv, but with extra features for the VTEC system.
in my conclusion, most VTECs out there r wrongly modified, but if u do it the right way, den they r all turbo competition. maybe sumone want to add things dat i missed out, do share ya!! i luv good discussion:)
yes, once the VTEC kicks in, there was this similar feeling like the turbo equipped engine acceleration, BUT just looking at the rpm isnt enuff. do take a peek at the speedo, and u'll be surprise!! i tried to revv the limit of a std b18R in 5th, it just bring the car to a "mere" 180+kmh whereas my std 4efte brings me there in 3rd, in lesser time. both are std. the ratio is short, which allows the engine to perform good.
VTEC controller? hmm.. using this is good, but dont ever try to shift the VTEC operational region below den 5000rpm. if u do nothing to improve the intake airflow, dont ever dream of doing dat. as i experimented, the lowest optimum rpm for the VTEC to operate is at the std factory setting, cant remember if its at 5500rpm? its IF u have mods to improve the airflow, dat the system operates optimum below den the std setting. how do i explain dis? here goes, VTECs r mainly actuator-like-valves dat if activated via the VTEC pump (they r not activated by oil pressure, but the oil pressure is used to activate them. this is sumhow misintepreted), it will lock the valves corresponding to them, opening extra channels for the increased air flow to the combustion chamber (usually in higher revv), to let more air in, to create more power. its the basic theory in an internal combustion engine, more air lets more fuel to be burnt, thus creating more power. but, what if the airflow isnt high enuff? its just a waste of time and energy, u r supplying extra fuel which wont be burnt, which wont produce good energy to pull the car. again, whats the point?
VAFC,now this is a different story. its like a SAFC which is used to tune the afr to perfection (matches the fuel NEEDED for the airflow for dat particular rpm) throughout the revv, but with extra features for the VTEC system.
in my conclusion, most VTECs out there r wrongly modified, but if u do it the right way, den they r all turbo competition. maybe sumone want to add things dat i missed out, do share ya!! i luv good discussion:)
watever it is guys..if u really wanna pit against the forced induction guys..better go for high power to weight ratio...think smart...not brute force...not just drag race even track oso..1/4 cents opinion...
NA vs Superchare is unfair.
BTW, u're so lucky that u dont live here in Labuan. Most ah beng here drive Camry, Sentra, and then go here and there cucuk2 other car on the road. But none of them drive Honda. Why ah? Am I the only Hondarian that lives here in Labuan?
Last night some damn Kenari driver cucuk me like hell. I curse from inside. Thank God i drive a VTEC, eventhough it is single cam.
Back to topic,
I think ur friends mod is simple. Go for inside the engine. Lots can be done inside, rather than those plug and play gadgets.
Good luck to your friend. Dont be sad just because got beaten by supercharger. Here in Labuan. even Ford Escape wants to race you, even if the driver is makcik one. Ceh...
BTW, u're so lucky that u dont live here in Labuan. Most ah beng here drive Camry, Sentra, and then go here and there cucuk2 other car on the road. But none of them drive Honda. Why ah? Am I the only Hondarian that lives here in Labuan?
Last night some damn Kenari driver cucuk me like hell. I curse from inside. Thank God i drive a VTEC, eventhough it is single cam.
Back to topic,
I think ur friends mod is simple. Go for inside the engine. Lots can be done inside, rather than those plug and play gadgets.
Good luck to your friend. Dont be sad just because got beaten by supercharger. Here in Labuan. even Ford Escape wants to race you, even if the driver is makcik one. Ceh...
Great to all honda forumer,
I'm so bored in da office now thats y am writing this.
Xtremeleo
A 2.5 inch on a B18 C5 is appropriate. Check out the B pipe for the oem B16 B exhaust manifold. It is already 2.5 inch. Go figure it out.By the way.Oversize exhaust = no top end
2 inch with S flow back box is the best set up. -U must be joking
A B16 A with rechip ecu can go close to NS marks on the speedo on 4th gear. So the B18 C5 u are saying will bounce from the revv limiter on fourth gear. 3rd gear will get u somewhere within 160. depends on FD.
And the VTEC pump. that is called a Solenoid valve and it does not locked the valve. it locked the rocker arm
motorsport is dangerous. drive accordingly. Cheers
I'm so bored in da office now thats y am writing this.
Xtremeleo
A 2.5 inch on a B18 C5 is appropriate. Check out the B pipe for the oem B16 B exhaust manifold. It is already 2.5 inch. Go figure it out.By the way.Oversize exhaust = no top end
2 inch with S flow back box is the best set up. -U must be joking
A B16 A with rechip ecu can go close to NS marks on the speedo on 4th gear. So the B18 C5 u are saying will bounce from the revv limiter on fourth gear. 3rd gear will get u somewhere within 160. depends on FD.
And the VTEC pump. that is called a Solenoid valve and it does not locked the valve. it locked the rocker arm
motorsport is dangerous. drive accordingly. Cheers
rizal_eg9 said:
bro, i think the dia u r refering is the outside dia, i was quoting the inside's. and most of the VTECs i played dat have bigger straight exhaust pipe were totally screwed. i really hope nobody is offended here, but the only EF dat can tailed me was the one i moded wit dose setup. there r more powerful VTECs out there, dat exceed greatly den my ride's performance, but wit the RM i put in, iam currently satisfied wit the results.
i hope what u said about the ratio is correct because i was disappointed wit the ITR for having such short ratio. anyway VTECs r good machines and have a lot of potential, do share more info bro
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**A B16 A with rechip ecu can go close to NS marks on the speedo on 4th gear. So the B18 C5 u are saying will bounce from the revv limiter on fourth gear. 3rd gear will get u somewhere within 160. depends on FD**
oh, its a rechip ecu, exceeding the factory limit, rite? no wonder.. how high do u have to revv before achieving dat mentioned speed? mine just did before the revv at about 7000rpm, didnt even touch the redline (7200rpm). std ecu, wit no fueling mods, std internals, i dont dare exceed the safe limit
oh and, its my bad, it doesnt lock the valve. silly me..
oh, its a rechip ecu, exceeding the factory limit, rite? no wonder.. how high do u have to revv before achieving dat mentioned speed? mine just did before the revv at about 7000rpm, didnt even touch the redline (7200rpm). std ecu, wit no fueling mods, std internals, i dont dare exceed the safe limit
oh and, its my bad, it doesnt lock the valve. silly me..
Bro,
The most losgical answer that the VTEC engine need to be revved harder is because the shorter stroke and bigger bore configuration. That's why the power is up north. Why is the 2 litre S2000 ans 2.2 litre S2000 produce same horsepower but at a lower rev?
A stock engine with stock B16a cam. Useless to revved pass 8000 rpm. The cam is to small to support the engine. It will gasp for air.
The most losgical answer that the VTEC engine need to be revved harder is because the shorter stroke and bigger bore configuration. That's why the power is up north. Why is the 2 litre S2000 ans 2.2 litre S2000 produce same horsepower but at a lower rev?
A stock engine with stock B16a cam. Useless to revved pass 8000 rpm. The cam is to small to support the engine. It will gasp for air.
understood.. thanX!! s2000 is a 2.2liter? tot it was 2 liter? as i can see currently, a good performing VTEC seems to be 2 liter and above ie F20, B20 hybrid, K20, etc. below den dat is a disappoinment, i wonder y? it occured to me dat the torque produced in a 2+liter VTEC engine do help, which means bigger horsepower doesnt really mean everything. rite?
hmm.. of course the F22 (if there is such a thing std, or its a special edition?), produces more power at lower revv, it has more displacement bro. cant see where u r going there, do enlighten me:) thanX for the quick reply, appreciate it bro
hmm.. of course the F22 (if there is such a thing std, or its a special edition?), produces more power at lower revv, it has more displacement bro. cant see where u r going there, do enlighten me:) thanX for the quick reply, appreciate it bro
**The most losgical answer that the VTEC engine need to be revved harder is because the shorter stroke and bigger bore configuration**
oh, no wonder the std engine produces low torque along the line, its a short stroker.. no wonder a b20 hyrbrid is xtremely awesome!! it gets the extra torque from the longer stroke, ha ha.. now i get it!! i never did good againts a VTEC hybrid, now i know y. thanx again!! and iam just wit a wee 1.3liter, maybe its time to go for the 5efhe block for longer stroke? hmm..
oh, no wonder the std engine produces low torque along the line, its a short stroker.. no wonder a b20 hyrbrid is xtremely awesome!! it gets the extra torque from the longer stroke, ha ha.. now i get it!! i never did good againts a VTEC hybrid, now i know y. thanx again!! and iam just wit a wee 1.3liter, maybe its time to go for the 5efhe block for longer stroke? hmm..
mate,
i thought you are running 4AGZE and smoked a B18 C5 with slight mode but you are running a starlet engine!!!!holy shite. that is scarry.
The 2.2 S2000 is off 2004 model onwards. i assume the engine should be called F22C as the head is still the same. (looked the same for me )
Cheers, enjoy ya weekend.
i thought you are running 4AGZE and smoked a B18 C5 with slight mode but you are running a starlet engine!!!!holy shite. that is scarry.
The 2.2 S2000 is off 2004 model onwards. i assume the engine should be called F22C as the head is still the same. (looked the same for me )
Cheers, enjoy ya weekend.
wha..? tot i edi told dat iam only using 4efte rite? or havent i? well, its no biggy rite? neway, sorry ya!! shud ve specified it
oh, there s a 2.2liter s2000? i didnt know dat, musta been even more powerful rite? tried playing wit a s2000 once, i was smoked kaw2. before dat, i smoked a boxster so had lil bit confidence wit the shark-looking-honda. i was totally wrong, dead wrong!! according to the gear ratio dat i read in a honda related site, it shudve only using 2nd or 3rd gear imo. i was like, drop-jaw-give-signal-shift-to-the-curb-and-cry
oh, there s a 2.2liter s2000? i didnt know dat, musta been even more powerful rite? tried playing wit a s2000 once, i was smoked kaw2. before dat, i smoked a boxster so had lil bit confidence wit the shark-looking-honda. i was totally wrong, dead wrong!! according to the gear ratio dat i read in a honda related site, it shudve only using 2nd or 3rd gear imo. i was like, drop-jaw-give-signal-shift-to-the-curb-and-cry
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