Abit of Advice Can Help Me !

[Kyogezsho]

Hie guys,
I need some help here .. i m new to ice .. i m planning to make a above average set up for my lil kenari ...

first of all have
a sony headunit ..
http://www.canze.org.nz/reviews/index.cfm?product_ID=1049

Sony CDX-CA850
* Touch-Less
* Key-Less
* Wire-Less
* Wireless Card Commander Supplied (RM-X113)
* Wireless Rotary Commander Supplied (RM-X5S)
* MD/CD Changer Control
* EQ7 (7 Band Equalizer)
* Output Power 52W x 4
* DSO
* Bass/Treble Control
* Loudness
* DAB Control
* Dual Pre-Amp Out HPF
* Sub-Out LPF
* Optional Wired Rotary Commander (RM-X4S)
* CD-R Playback Capability
* Detachable Front Panel


And i m planing to put in a subwoofer and a set of component and amp
i need recommendation to set up
like ..
putting a set of component front [with brand n price range]
then amp how to channel them and so on .. i m totally new to ice thats why i need u guys help

for ur info .. inside kenari on top of da boot there is also 2speakers with tweeters
but mine is like abit spoil... so i wonder do i have to change it or just use it or even just take off da wire and leave it alone .. and use 2 speakers for da whole car

i have heard a few suggestion
my budget is very limited about 1k++
so i wan advice how to make a decent or better than cap ayam set of ice in my lil kenari

thanks for advice and willingness to give me a shoot !

arigatou

 

[bububann]

Hello bro

First off, what approach do you want with regards to your listening pleasure?

1. Are you going:

SQ=Sound Quality
SPL= Sound Pressure Level

2. Most people here will advise to just use 1 component set for the front and 1 or 2 subs in the back. If you prefer some rear fill, then you can leave your existing speakers connected but limit the volume as to not disturb the front staging (SQ setup)

3. For amp(s), advise would be to get a decent 4 channel amp (2 channels to drive front components, and the other 2 bridge for powering sub(s). That's as simple as it can get. Rear speakers power directly from HU (use fader to limit volume)

4. As for prices, brands for amp/speaker/woofer and their sizes to choose; and also which direction to go, I will leave it to our other friends here in ZTH to give their comments.

Cheers bro, and good luck!

 

[Kyogezsho]

Thanks alot brother ...
I m actually going for a set of ice that can enjoy R & B songs and some initial D technos .... kinda plain .. anyway too much woofer wont do good to me as i have a weak heart ...
i sit of some of my friends car i feel painful at my heart ... ... i m going for someting sharp with some bass : 0

anymore people can give me advice

btw i m looking for a quality someting like bro bububan`s signature
Looking for the balance point of SQ and SPL :0

 

[kyheng]

Then you get a 10" woofer will be enough, the bass will not be as strong as 12" but just nice for you.

 

[Kyogezsho]

Then you get a 10" woofer will be enough, the bass will not be as strong as 12" but just nice for you.

Yeah
but 12 will be good too ... but just dont on max lol

 

[bububann]

Hehe

Balance point? Still loking for that also dude.. haha

Anyways for sub (I think you have pretty much determined u would want to use only 1 piece) the first thing to consider is how much boot space are you willing to sacrifice. 10" sub enclosures `generally' takes less space than 12" sub enclosures. Then going R&B, I suppose you will be looking to build a sealed box.

My friend drives a Kenari, and well... he is pressed for space in the boot. Do also determine how you want the sub to give its output, because that will also determine the size of the enclosure.

I dont suppose you wanna build big2, nanti balik kampung bring back sub onli hehe

Cheers

 

[Kyogezsho]

Hehe

Balance point? Still loking for that also dude.. haha

Anyways for sub (I think you have pretty much determined u would want to use only 1 piece) the first thing to consider is how much boot space are you willing to sacrifice. 10" sub enclosures `generally' takes less space than 12" sub enclosures. Then going R&B, I suppose you will be looking to build a sealed box.

My friend drives a Kenari, and well... he is pressed for space in the boot. Do also determine how you want the sub to give its output, because that will also determine the size of the enclosure.

I dont suppose you wanna build big2, nanti balik kampung bring back sub onli hehe

Cheers

well i m planing for one 12inch woofer.. due to my car isnt that big till need 2 woofers
and also i m not really particular with the spacing i tink with one woofer i till still left with quite some space to put somebags or so on ....

btw what kind of watt woofer will be sufficeint for a kenari
such a small car
400watts is it sufficient?

 

[Kyogezsho]

plus .. i m low on budget lol if i get 2 woofer will it cause more then one 12inch woofer?
due to low budget .. i can onli afford da most efficient way :P

more advice please :)

 

[bububann]

400 watts? Is that in RMS or PMPO?

400RMS is high SPL liao, nanti sakit jantung hehe

I suggest you try looking for a 12" sub, with these characteristics in mind

12 inch
Single Voice Coil @ 4ohms or DVC@ 4 ohms (which will alow a 2ohm impedance when wired in parallel)
Mebbe around the region of 150RMS (plenty power oledi)

Don't get a sub which is too high in its RMS output, coz theun u will have to end up getting a dedicated amp just to punch the sub. Budget then burst lah.

Brand will be detremined by your budget, and others can also suggest several good brands here too

Cheers

p/s of course 2 woofers will cost more than 1 woofer!

 

[kyheng]

Generally 1 12" will outbeat 2 10" when normal brand to normal brand(SVC) For low power sub but want better performance, is better to use a ported enclosure, let the air to go in for cooling purpose. Then your sub will last longer.
If you don't maximise it, then what for you want a 12"? just imagine if you have an EVO9 but you only drive 60km/h, how will people say? Just my opinion.

 

[Kyogezsho]

400 watts? Is that in RMS or PMPO?

400RMS is high SPL liao, nanti sakit jantung hehe

I suggest you try looking for a 12" sub, with these characteristics in mind

12 inch
Single Voice Coil @ 4ohms or DVC@ 4 ohms (which will alow a 2ohm impedance when wired in parallel)
Mebbe around the region of 150RMS (plenty power oledi)

Don't get a sub which is too high in its RMS output, coz theun u will have to end up getting a dedicated amp just to punch the sub. Budget then burst lah.

Brand will be detremined by your budget, and others can also suggest several good brands here too

Cheers

p/s of course 2 woofers will cost more than 1 woofer!

ice .. thanks for ur advice brother .. btw do u have msn or some messanger that i can contactu with
i might need to ask u alot more question before i do it hahaha
or u can add me ;)
[email protected]
going to bed now ... checking tomorrow ..
btw thanks for the fast reply really appreciate it : )
400watts i m not sure which is it ..

 

[Kyogezsho]

Generally 1 12" will outbeat 2 10" when normal brand to normal brand(SVC) For low power sub but want better performance, is better to use a ported enclosure, let the air to go in for cooling purpose. Then your sub will last longer.
If you don't maximise it, then what for you want a 12"? just imagine if you have an EVO9 but you only drive 60km/h, how will people say? Just my opinion.

very true ... .btw u can add me too we can deal : )

 

[kyheng]

ok... Maybe I help you to buy other things.

 

[Zenn]

the port in the box is for cooling the sub? sure or notttttt....??
i know its for air coming out, not going in...

for 1k budget would be hard to get 1 set of front comps, 1 sub and a 4ch amp. unless they were really cheap stuff which i wont recommend at all, since it wont last that long and they dont sound good at all. if u can up the budget a bit maybe some used units u can look at in the buy/sell section.

 

[kyheng]

Well, maybe you are right. Mine is ayam brand sub so it will breath from the port(moving frontwards and backwards). So when the diaphragm moves to front, air coming out, when the diaphragm return to its original positon(idle) it pull some air. Basic physics on pressure balancing. I don't know how about high end sub, but atleast my RDS behave like this. Is like an air pump press air go out, release air go in to balance back.
Maybe high end sub use diff technology, so air will only come out from the port and will not go in.
So sorry ah, master Zenn, I try to give wrong info to people in ZTH again. So 1 more question is high end sub's diaphragm only move frontwards without going backwards but still can get bass?

 

[Kippo]

Generally 1 12" will outbeat 2 10" when normal brand to normal brand(SVC) For low power sub but want better performance, is better to use a ported enclosure, let the air to go in for cooling purpose. Then your sub will last longer.
If you don't maximise it, then what for you want a 12"? just imagine if you have an EVO9 but you only drive 60km/h, how will people say? Just my opinion.

boss,
2 x 10" sub will diplace more air than 1 x 12" sub la. So macam mana 1 x 12" is louder than 2 x 10"? Bulih explain more for us newbie..


on extending sub life, if i use ported box and the cooling air which goes in from the ported box can make my sub last longer as you mentioned. So that means it is not recommended to use sealed box as it will make my sub life shorter la ni kan.
So all you sealed box user, you need to change to ported box otherwise your sub will not last long. Unless u upgrade ur sub fast la hehe...

 

[howiechoo]

ported box does increase a bit of cooling effect, because it cause the sub to move more and the air pumped are increased too..it doesn matter the air are in or out..it matter when the air pass thru the coil...if the sub move more, more air will pass thru , if it move less, less air pass thru...

btw, the most important is the coil material..if it is kapton, it will easily overheated but if it is aluminium coil, then u r safer..
just dun max it and ur sub wont burn..

 

[kyheng]

Not to say louder, is the impact from the 12" sub that it gives. As I just change from 2 10" to 1 12" recently and really 1 12" can eat 2 10". For info my 10" is 200watt each where 12" is only 250watt.
Brother, is just my opinion only, don't say we must change to a sealed type. As i know 1 thing on electronics, they don't want heat as heat will damage the parts slowly...
Like Howie said the coil material is very important, so for safer side get a ported one, so can cool down the sub when the car is stopped. Longer life for the sub. Anyway Howie, do you solve Sean's problem on his 8ohm sub?

 

[Kyogezsho]

btw is my head unit good enough btw
my budget is to get an average ice only ...

 

[bububann]

Your Sony HU seems to be one of the higher end models, should do just fine i think, though some would question the brand itself hehe..

No worries, the HU should be just fine. How much did you get it for anyways?

Ok back to the topic at hand.

You say you have about 1k++ to play with. Lets assume it 1.5k.

What u want is

A. 1pc 12" sub & box
B. 1 component set
C. 1pc 4 channel amp
D. Necessary RCA cables and wiring

Doing the mathematics:

A. Sub and box will probably offset u about
SVC Sub (300 - 400) & enclosure (150-200) = RM600

As for the enclosure, dont worry about some of the comments in here. If R&B, i recommend sealed boxes, despite it being said to be easily overheated and all. Sealed boxes tend to deliver better `punches' which are MORE suitable for that kind of music. After all, when listening to R&B I dont assume you would not want to blast the volume up anyways for that kind of music.

B. Component Set
Search for an `acceptable' one (check in the buy/sell section) = RM500

C. 4 channel amp
Try looking for a decent 2nd hand 4 channel amp selling in ZTH which may cost around the region of 400-600. = RM600

Well, there alone the have burst the RM1.5k mark, and the above has a total of 1.7K.

RCA cables and wiring plus installation will probably take up another RM200, i think.

So, a comfortable total for all would be around the 2K mark.

However, if you are quite happy with just plain listening and not too concerned about brands and stuff, there are some `bargain' stuff (not too branded stuff lar) also being sold in ZTH.

The choice is yours, after all, its the MONEY that talks the loudest hehe...

Hope this brings you closer to what you are searching for.

Cheers.