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Message: <blockquote data-quote="moe6" data-source="post: 578304" data-attributes="member: 9970"><a href="http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/P/proton/trm-srm.html" target="_blank">http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spyshots-2005/P/proton/trm-srm.html</a>Currently the most accurate pictures of both cars (SRM and TRM)http://www.auto-g.jp/news/200404/26/newcar05/08_b.jpgNissan Tilda<a href="http://www.renault.co.uk/RenaultSITe/puma/GB/PROD_GB/MEL_PROD/en/Clio_cl2/p1.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.renault.co.uk/RenaultSITe/puma/GB/PROD_GB/MEL_PROD/en/Clio_cl2/p1.jsp</a>the Cliowhat the fuck are you guys smoking??? (pass me some) Seems to me everyone is quick to hate on proton blindly. I'm not particularly fond of proton either but most of you seem to be targeting them without even looking at it from a more thought out perspective.on the basis of design, the TRM differs greatly, as much as possible while keeping the same form factor, from the Renault Clio (on which Platform the TRM is based upon). The c-note is just a photoshop done by some guy with too much time on his hands (just like when some other dumb fucker stuck a Proton logo on a Koenigsegg). It is NOT a direct copy of the Clio. The Waja is not a direct copy either and just like the TRM, it is based upon a different Global Platform from Mitsubishi. this SAME platform is used not only on the Waja, but also on the VOLVO S40. So are you going to say that the S40 is a direct copy as well, according to your idea of what constitutes a "direct copy"? I should also mention that the Waja uses both a mitsu engine and a renault engine (both of which are craptacular :D) Using a ready made platform, most of which that do get sold these days were already planned to be platforms that could be sold to other manufacturers, provides a lower cost to making a car. Retooling and making a 1.2litre Campro AND making a new platform JUST AFTER making the Gen2's platform (which is being used again on the SRM) costs a significant amount. Buying the rights to use Renault's platform, gearbox and engine reduces this cost.The only valid complaints about Proton are QC, and materials used. Oh, and the fact they're still selling Saga's, what nearly 20 years later? :P</blockquote>