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Message: <blockquote data-quote="energie" data-source="post: 775929" data-attributes="member: 3992"><p>yea, don't stop arguing, we don't want to pretend we know nothing. Don't get me wrong, I didn't say all of our local ICE products are crap. I said specifically Stellar, Prokick, Adams Digital, Shuttle Lab , yada yada yada are crap. Read post #4 where Quickshift replied, he said it himself, NO R&D. If that's suppose to be good then I think Focal was wasting their time in the development of their Utopia Be or Morel for their Supremo. Avant Garde is Malaysian made, i have nothing except for praises for their products. It is admirable to think that there is actually a local ICE manufacturer going the extra mile for product quality. But mention Avant Garde to these jokers & they'll give you a blank stare. Know why? Coz like many other top brands, they do not have marketing gimmick, they do not have fancy & flashy finish, they do not mass produce their products & they do not have fully loaded demo vans going around M'sia. Pity how many unsuspecting consumers didn't fall for those things that many of these top brands chose not to have.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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